Proposal for "Multiple LR/SC forward progress guarantee levels."
AbstractAtomic Forward Guarantee is required in many OS to touch contended variables. Linux queued-spinlock is the atomic forward guarantee user who solves the fairness and cache-line bouncing problems and ensures performance and size. RISC-V Linux has been trying to port qspinlock support since 2019, but it is pended on the RISC-V flexible LR/SC forward Guarantee issue. In this presentation, we will introduce the troubles caused by the LR/SC Forward Guarantee definition in the RISC-V ISA to Linux qspinlock and propose our solution. Use klitmus to define the LR/SC & cmpxchg forward progress guarantee cases, which gives clear guidelines for micro-architecture designers and software programmers.
MotivationThe current LR/SC forward progress guarantee is written in RISC-V ISA spec - "Eventual Success of Store-Conditional Instructions": HART 0 HART 1
By contrast, if other harts or devices continue to write to that reservation set, it is not guaranteed that any hart will exit its LR/SC loop. (Written in RISC-V ISA spec: "Eventual Success of Store-Conditional Instructions")
HART 0 HART 1 No Guarantee here! The current LR/SC forward progress guarantee is a weak definition. But Linux queued-spinlock needs forward progress guarantee.
Here is the comment written in Linux qspinlock.h:https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/asm-generic/qspinlock.h
First, LR/SC requirement in qspinlock when NR_CPUS < 16K.
RISC-V doesn’t have the sub-word amoswap, so use LR/SC equivalent: Linux cmpxchg is the CAS primitive, and RISC-V uses LR/SC equivalent. The second cmpxchg should cause a loop break in any contended situation!
Proposal for discussion:In current riscv spec: “A” Standard Extension for Atomic Instructions - Load-Reserved/Store-Conditional Instructions "The failure code with value 1 is reserved to encode an unspecified failure. Other failure codes are reserved at this time, and portable software should only assume the failure code will be non-zero. We reserve a failure code of 1 to mean “unspecified” so that simple implementations may return this value using the existing mux required for the SLT/SLTU instructions. More specific failure codes might be defined in future versions or extensions to the ISA."
Add a failure code of 2 to store-conditional instruction: Store-conditional returns local failure code 0 - Success
Then, define three forward progress guarantee levels: Level 1 (Weak) - SC returns 0/1/2
Litmus Tests for (Level 1~3, cmpxchg forward progress guarantee)Level 3 - Absolute:
Level 2 - Strong: RISCV LEVEL3-LR-SC
Level 1 - Weak:
cmpxchg forward progress guarantee:RISCV LEVE_3-LR-LR-SC (Absolute Level) P0 | P1 ;
RISCV LEVEL_2-LR-LR-SC (Strong Level) P0 | P1 ;
Here is the presentation for detail: |
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Guo,
As the guy who probably worked the hardest to get the forward progress guarantees for LR/SC significantly weakened in the RISC-V ISA, I feel I’m going to have to comment here. I’ll start with the premise of the presentation (pg 6 and pg 16) that some fair forward progress guarantee (however that’s defined) is somehow “required” for the “queued-spinlock” and for transactional memory. I do not accept from a vague comment In the linux kernel that fair forward progress is absolutely required for this queued-spinlock to work. I can accept that if you build a bad implementation of LR/SC that’s unbalanced and unfair you will likely have problems with this algorithm, but you’ll also likely just have problems with heavily contended basic locks as well. Don’t do that. I also have a personal reason to doubt any sort of hard fairness requirement. Power machines (quite large ones: fully coherent with up to 240 cores with 1920 threads in total currently) have run this algorithm in linux for a long time with no particular problem (I own the majority of the LL/SC logic in Power, I would have known if there were significant issues and my kernel maintainer as of yesterday said this was no big deal for him). So, there’s at least one practical proof point that this doesn’t seem to demand a hard guarantee even in a very demanding environment. So, before anything goes anywhere here, can you, or someone helping you, explain in exquisite detail what the progress problem here really is, if any. I suspect there may be some issue here but I’m not sure it rises to the level that a fully fair forward guarantee is absolutely required. But even if there is a forward progress problem here, I cannot even begin to see what the proposed return codes are going to do to help you? Just what are you going to do with those codes? Additionally, I don’t think it will be practical to implement a machine with Level 2 (Strong) or Level 3 (Absolute) guarantees (pg 10 of your presentation) at anything approaching a rational cost in any event. I include below the 70+ page presentation deck we worked up years ago to convince people to NOT do a guarantee. I haven’t re-read this in years, so I may disagree with myself in places, and it was never intended for an audience quite this large, but in general it should hold up. Additionally, even if you use CAS instead of LR/SC, say, how does the queued_spinlock have a forward progress guarantee? CAS, as far as I understand it, checks the “compare” value and won’t swap if it mismatches. What’s to keep one thread (especially in high contention) from always losing by having an “old” compare value from the last CAS it did that’s already been overwritten by another thread’s CAS.? It’ll fail every time and not progress, right? IF you can handle the CAS failing regularly by some other software path, why can’t that same path be used for the SC that fails? SO, to summarize, 1) I’m not sure you actually have a problem here. Much more detailed proof is required. 2) Even if there is a problem, I’m not sure how these return codes help or that we really a fair forward progress guarantee to deal with this? 3) You’re going to have a very hard time building a machine with LR/SC guarantees meaningfully stronger than what RISC-V currently has.
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[Edited Message Follows] AbstractAtomic Forward Guarantee is required in many OS to touch contended variables. Linux queued-spinlock is the atomic forward guarantee user who solves the fairness and cache-line bouncing problems and ensures performance and size. RISC-V Linux has been trying to port qspinlock support since 2019, but it is pended on the RISC-V flexible LR/SC forward Guarantee issue. In this presentation, we will introduce the troubles caused by the LR/SC Forward Guarantee definition in the RISC-V ISA to Linux qspinlock and propose our solution. Use klitmus to define the LR/SC & cmpxchg forward progress guarantee cases, which gives clear guidelines for micro-architecture designers and software programmers.
MotivationThe current LR/SC forward progress guarantee is written in RISC-V ISA spec - "Eventual Success of Store-Conditional Instructions": HART 0 HART 1
By contrast, if other harts or devices continue to write to that reservation set, it is not guaranteed that any hart will exit its LR/SC loop. (Written in RISC-V ISA spec: "Eventual Success of Store-Conditional Instructions")
HART 0 HART 1 No Guarantee here! The current LR/SC forward progress guarantee is a weak definition. But Linux queued-spinlock needs forward progress guarantee.
Here is the comment written in Linux qspinlock.h:https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/asm-generic/qspinlock.h
First, LR/SC requirement in qspinlock when NR_CPUS < 16K.
RISC-V doesn’t have the sub-word amoswap, so use LR/SC equivalent: Linux cmpxchg is the CAS primitive, and RISC-V uses LR/SC equivalent. The second cmpxchg should cause a loop break in any contended situation!
Proposal for discussion:In current riscv spec: “A” Standard Extension for Atomic Instructions - Load-Reserved/Store-Conditional Instructions "The failure code with value 1 is reserved to encode an unspecified failure. Other failure codes are reserved at this time, and portable software should only assume the failure code will be non-zero. We reserve a failure code of 1 to mean “unspecified” so that simple implementations may return this value using the existing mux required for the SLT/SLTU instructions. More specific failure codes might be defined in future versions or extensions to the ISA."
Add a failure code of 2 to store-conditional instruction: Store-conditional returns local failure code 0 - Success
Then, define three forward progress guarantee levels: Level 1 (Weak) - SC returns 0/1/2
Litmus Tests for (Level 1~3, cmpxchg forward progress guarantee)Level 3 - Absolute:
Level 2 - Strong: RISCV LEVEL3-LR-SC
Level 1 - Weak:
cmpxchg forward progress guarantee:RISCV LEVE_3-LR-LR-SC (Absolute Level) P0 | P1 ;
RISCV LEVEL_2-LR-LR-SC (Strong Level) P0 | P1 ;
Here is the presentation for detail:
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Phil McCoy
For the record, plenty of big-iron SGI machines also survived the MIPS ISA's LL/SC without stronger forward progress guarantees.
The following observation is apparent from Derek's presentation, but I think it is worth calling out here for those who didn't make it through all 73 pages :-) Consider the case of atomically incrementing a variable with level 2 or 3 forward progress guarantees: loop: lr.w x8, 0(x9) addi x8, x8, 1 sc.w x8, x8, 0(x9) bne x8, x0, loop Suppose two harts execute this code sequence at the same time, and the address in question initially contains the value of zero. In both harts, the lr.w will read zero which then gets incremented, so that the SC attempts to store the value 1 to memory. Both harts are REQUIRED to successfully store the value of 1, but the correct result after both harts have executed the loop is 2. As Derek points out in his presentation, attempts to fix this problem by some how pre-ordaining a winner break down in cases where the code sequence ends up not attempting to execute the sc.w instruction (which is a perfectly legal and valid thing for software to do). Similarly, attempts to hide the existence of a loser by rolling the machine state back to prior to the loop may technically honor the forward progress guarantee (by never seeming to execute the atomic sequence), but actual forward progress is still not guaranteed, so it is just as "bad" for software as the weak guarantee. Cheers, Phil |
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Derek, Thx for sharing the presentation with us; I spent some time chewing. So the reply is late.
The Linux queued-spinlock utilizes the lock_pending and mcs_spinlock mechanisms to reduce the struct qspinlock into 4 bytes. (The size requirement of Linux for generic spinlock.) The current version of queued-spinlock has split struct qspinlock into two parts: locked_pending and tail (for mcs_spinlock). And in terms of software design, they are considered half-word isolated, which also means that the author of qspinlock will not make any promises when lock_pending affects xchg_tail (I have updated [1] pages 6 & 7 to explain this problem in detail). This is a challenge for RISC-V and IBM Power, which don't have the sub-word atomic instructions. (I also see that x86 is using BINARY_RMW (bit atomic) instead of AMOOR.W to optimize the queued_fetch_set_pending_acquire() function), which makes me deeply disturbed (ps: the author of qspinlock is from x86).
--- Power's experience can't clear my concerns --- Secondly, the cloud server scenario of Power's 240 cores 1920 threads cannot cover all qspinlock situations. Because qspinlock has four working states (uncontended, pending, uncontended queue, contended queue), it will enter the contended queue state when there are too many contended harts. The lock_pending contention has ended, and qspinlock is stable in the xchg_tail contended queue state. So it isn't a target situation for the topic. The frequent switching between the states of uncontended, pending, and uncontended queues is the problem. For example, in an embedded SoC scenario, two sockets (2cores/socket non-SMT) are interconnected through PCI-E CCIX to form 2 NUMA nodes SMP (the NUMA interconnect performance of the system is not good, and there is a significant latency). A strong guarantee level can help CPU hold the cacheline during qspinlock xchg_tail, avoiding NUMA cacheline dancing overhead caused by retries. Because the core speed is much higher than the NUMA interconnect, locking the cacheline for some cycles within the internal is acceptable. --- About "add new SC failure code" --- Due to the conflict between "Absolute Guarantee" and "LR generates Load page-fault exception in the spec," I gave up the absolute level (updated [1] pages 12, 13). Now my proposal only wants to define Strong Level in the spec explicitly. This is not to pull RISC-V back to a strong guarantee but to define both Weak and Strong in the ISA spec, just like we've done for RVWMO and RVTSO. The spec hints at a Strong Guarantee (see [1] pages 10, 11). And [1] page 9 points out the current Strong Guarantee has had hardware implementations. So, why can't we define a Strong Guarantee? Compared with the text description, using litmus to define strong and weak levels may be more transparent and easier to understand. Hence, the proposal introduces a new SC failure code and three litmus HAND cases (STRONG_LR-SC, WEAK_LR-SC, CAS_LR-LR -SC).
Finally, I suggest clearly defining Weak and Strong levels in the ISA spec, and AMO and LR/SC should have the same guarantee level. The software should be designed according to the weak guarantee for better compatibility and performance (Similar to RVWMO & RVTSO).
Best Regards Guo Ren |
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John Ingalls
Guo -- Thanks for the thoughtful reply. -- John On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 6:40 AM Guo Ren <guoren@...> wrote:
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We can combine it with PMU to observe the system forward guarantee situation. e.g., If too many "1" failure codes exist, the cache contention is serious. If too many "2" failure codes exist, there may be too many exceptions or interruptions. We will even introduce more failure codes in the future. e.g., "3" represents the reason for inter SMT harts contention.
In the current ISA spec, separating LR/SC from AMO is non-suitable; That would trap vendors from implementing balanced atomic primitives (Power is balanced. If a vendor wants weak, AMO also needs weak). We could describe it from the reason of SC and leave more freedom to micro-arch. Currently, I hope it would help define forward progress guarantee levels with litmus. |
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striker@...
Guo,
You're welcome for the presentation. No need to apologize for the delay in replying, this change isn't going to happen in the architecture in any event, so there’s no specific hurry here.
I don’t say that to be rude or dismissive, but I do not want to give the false impression, by replying to these emails, that I think this proposal has any legitimacy or should ever happen in the architecture… I don’t and it shouldn’t.
However, I am happy to discuss these issues though there are limits to how much time I have to spend on this conversation.
I’m gratified that the “absolute” guarantee level has been removed. That was never going to be possible, so that’s progress. Thank you. Now, if we can just get past the rest of it….
Your email below throws a great many things at the wall. I do not have time now to go through all that point by point. Instead, I’d like us to focus on one thing:
What changes do you think you want in the architecture and how will software use those new features? (for now, how you’ll try to justify them later is not important, please just explain exactly WHAT you want and how you plan for software to use the new features).
Given your last reply to John, it appears that now you seem to want a number of ill-defined, microarchitecture-specific return codes on SC to say "why" the SC failed (we'll ignore for the moment that this is not a good way to specify big-A architecture, painful to implement and verify, and that differing implementations are not at all likely to be uniform on what constitutes each return code).
More importantly, having those codes be returned by SC does nothing to provide a guarantee of forward progress. The best that can do is give you some indication after the fact (that may or may not be accurate) as to why the SCs are failing.
So, are you now NOT asking for a forward progress guarantee? That would be progress because generally speaking that can't be reasonably built anyways.
It is imperative that you get very clear and very specific on what you want and how software will use and benefit from these features. We will make no progress here (no pun intended) until that happens.
Derek Williams
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[Edited Message Follows] Derek, Thx for sharing the presentation with us; I spent some time chewing. So the reply is late.
The Linux queued-spinlock utilizes the lock_pending and mcs_spinlock mechanisms to reduce the struct qspinlock into 4 bytes. (The size requirement of Linux for generic spinlock.) The current version of queued-spinlock has split struct qspinlock into two parts: locked_pending and tail (for mcs_spinlock). And in terms of software design, they are considered half-word isolated, which also means that the author of qspinlock will not make any promises when lock_pending affects xchg_tail (I have updated [1] pages 6 & 7 to explain this problem in detail). This is a challenge for RISC-V and IBM Power, which don't have the sub-word atomic instructions. (I also see that x86 is using BINARY_RMW (bit atomic) instead of AMOOR.W to optimize the queued_fetch_set_pending_acquire() function), which makes me deeply disturbed (ps: the author of qspinlock is from x86).
--- Power's experience can't clear my concerns --- Secondly, the cloud server scenario of Power's 240 cores 1920 threads cannot cover all qspinlock situations. Because qspinlock has four working states (uncontended, pending, uncontended queue, contended queue), it will enter the contended queue state when there are too many contended harts. The lock_pending contention has ended, and qspinlock is stable in the xchg_tail contended queue state. So it isn't a target situation for the topic. The frequent switching between the states of uncontended, pending, and
uncontended queues is the problem. For example, in an embedded SoC scenario, two sockets (2cores/socket non-SMT) are interconnected through PCI-E CCIX to form 2 NUMA nodes SMP (the NUMA interconnect performance of the system is not good, and there is a significant
latency). A strong guarantee level can help CPU hold the cacheline during qspinlock xchg_tail, avoiding NUMA cacheline dancing overhead caused by retries. Because the core speed is much higher than the NUMA interconnect, locking the cacheline for some cycles
within the internal is acceptable. --- About "add new SC failure code" --- Due to the conflict between "Absolute Guarantee" and "LR generates Load page-fault exception in the spec," I gave up the absolute level (updated [1] pages 12, 13). Now my proposal only wants to define Strong Level in the spec explicitly. This is not to pull RISC-V back to a strong guarantee but to define both Weak and Strong in the ISA spec, just like we've done for RVWMO and RVTSO. The spec hints at a Strong Guarantee (see [1] pages 10, 11). And [1] page 9 points out the current Strong Guarantee has had hardware implementations. So, why can't we define a Strong Guarantee? Compared with the text description, using litmus to define strong and weak levels may be more transparent and easier to understand. Hence, the proposal introduces a new SC failure code and three litmus HAND cases (STRONG_LR-SC, WEAK_LR-SC, CAS_LR-LR -SC).
Finally, I suggest clearly defining Weak and Strong levels in the ISA
spec, and AMO and LR/SC should have the same guarantee level. The software should be designed according to the weak guarantee for better compatibility and performance (Similar to RVWMO & RVTSO).
Best Regards Guo Ren |
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