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The way the discussion has been going, I think either would be permissible. Not only that, but it would have been permissible for element 9 already to have been overwritten with 1's (if vma allows it).
I think bringing this up is good as we need to be sure what precisely we mean by the v*ff instructions.
On 10/16/20 8:57 AM, Roger Espasa wrote:
Here's a question for the group: I did in as a picture... hopefully it will go through the mailing list:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:56 PM David Horner <ds2horner@...
On 2020-10-16 10:30 a.m.,
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:48:00 -0400, "David Horner" <ds2horner@...> said:
> | First I am very happy that "arbitrary decisions by the
> | micro-architecture" allow reduction of vl to any [non-zero] value.
> | Even if such appear "random".
> | A check for vl=0 on platforms that allow it is eminently doable, low
> | overhead for many use cases AND guarantees forward progress under
> | SOFTWARE control.
> If we allowed implementation to return vl=0, how does software
> guarantee forward progress?
The forward progress is to advance to another task.
In the case of machine mode it can potentially "resolve" the cause of
the vl=0 return and re-execute the loop (without the overhead of the trap).
> | I see it as no different [in fundamental principle] than other cases
> | such as RVI integer divide by zero behaviour that does not trap but can
> | be readily checked for.
> | Also RVI integer overflow that if you want to check for it is at most a
> | few instructions including the branch.
> I don't see how these examples relate to returning vl=0 on some
> microarchitectural event. The examples here have results that depend
> only on architectural values, so can be deterministically handled.
The similarity is the avoidance of trap handling, when it is sufficient
to check instead register state.
> vl=0 is more related to load-reserved/store-conditional failure, where
> we need to add implementation constraints to guarantee forward
Ok. I can see providing guidance as to when vl=0 is allowed, but not to
exclude it outright.